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Wednesday, February 14, 2007




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this was supposed to be the last comment on the thread - muslims and terrorists are two very different things ..... lirun removed it because he feels it's too overboard and insulting... of course we should fight censorship and oppression .. no way i will let this comment to be lost for the posterity .. one should probably read the thread first to fully understand this comment ...

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Anonymous said...

yes muslims, arab leaders, all sorts, condemn terror, usually with some words which don't say much.


you actually missed the point as lirun found nothing smarter to do than to link to some Islaimist site where the muslims are trying to fool themselves and others into believing that Islam has nothing to do with terror ... among other muslim clerics cited there i noticed qardawi's denunciation of the bombing of a jewish sinagogue in Tunisia with an argument that it's not ok to do it in Tunisia since the jews there are not fighting Muslims...

given that nobody has anything to add here i will provide a closing comment for this discussion

I have no idea who are other clerics cited on this site but i suppose that one can google out in two minutes loads of bullshit they are preaching ... who is qardawi most Israelis know very well since he is a kind of spiritual leader of Hamas ... i dont know exactly what they call it but practically i understand very well what's going on ... if hamas clerics cannot reach a religious verdict on something locally they go straight to this guy .. he is the man .. he is like their spiritual coach ...

and he provides them with fatwas and other stuff ... basically this is how the whole thing functions ...mashal from damascus provides hamas with a political guidance and qardawi with a spiritual one ... qardawi is considered to be moderate since he opposes attacks on jews outside israel .. as to attacks on civilan targets inside israel the man said more than enough and was so frequently shown on the israeli tv that i dont think i need to elaborate on this for israelis... of course that he is considered moderate makes some people start wondering what is exteremist for these people ..probably for lirun it's about splitting hairs but this is clearly not for any israeli who has ever witnessed a bus or a cafe bombed by a kamikadze ...

and of course contrary to what lirun wants us to believe qardawi is one of the more popular preachers of the sunni world ... and he is in no hiding, comfortably living in UAE or Dubai (i dont remember) where thousands flock to attend his preaching sermons ...

and of course the very fact that no muslim volunteered to contribute to this thread says a lot .. and as brendan noticed empty declarations can satisfy no sane person any longer ... we want specific explanations ... we want to know what place the hadit of the garkhad tree has in muslim tradition ... right now what we see is that this hadit defines the final vision of the Israeli palestinian conflict for hamas and thousands of palestinians who voted it into power ... if the muslims admit that salalahu walayhe wasalam occasionally went nuts and was talking bullshit, this will satisfy us .. or that al-bukhari and moslem were occasionally taking mushrooms and recording something that was never said by the prophet... but we want them to specifically refer to this hadit and to explain its meaning ...

i remember occasionally meeting a mr. your nice muslim guy on some forum and asking him to explain to me the status of spain and other muslim lands captured under khalifs in light of what the hamas charter says .. and it was like "oh no. nobody is thinking about invading spain" .. and i was like -"ok. but theoretically what the sharia says about it? if this is considered wakf ?". "oh i should consult a scholar. I will come back to you with an answer." ....

and of course they never came back

my personal question to lirun would be like this ... it took you two peace roundtables to notice that people you are talking to are hardcore anti semites (LOL) ... now in an attempt to make your point about the oceanic distance between islam and terrorism you linked to a site citing the very clerics who elaborated the doctrine of suicide attacks.. i noticed that you are now also trying to deal with trade and politics ... don't you think that in light of your misjudgements until now, trade and politics should be just too complicated for you ?

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here is a link to lirun's peace roundtable - peace talks

hamas charter - Hamas Covenant 1988

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